#RTB | The People Have Spoken!
…but are we listening?
The other day, I wrote a blog post called “When Swanepoel Talks.”
That created a moderate level of conversation on Twitter and on Stefan Swanepeol’s Facebook page.
In the aftermath of those things, Mike Bowler wrote a response in his blog called “Time for Change – Raise the Bar in Real Estate Professionalism – Who’s Responsible?” At the end of Mike’s post, he wrote the following:
My question is, what is professionalism if the Code described above is not? When will we enforce this Code, if it is being neglected? One thing I do know is that in my 32 years as a REALTOR, I have met more professional agents, brokers, and managers than non-professional and personally feel our industry has grown substantially during that period. The beauty of our Code of Ethics is that it is alive and never will allow us to stop growing as an industry. (We have room to grow.) What do you think?
In response to Mike’s question as to “what I think,” I offer you three levels of opinon: (1) my own, (2) Stefan Swanepoel’s (additional commentary, aka “When Swanepoel Talks, Part 2″) and (3) the public’s…our clients’…the people who pay us and to whom we are ultimately tasked with providing satisfaction.
First, my personal opinion. I think fairly radical overhaul is needed across the board in the real estate industry, and here’s a condensed summary as to why I say that (you can read the other posts I’ve written on this topic within this blog; I don’t want to bore you with repetition):
- The barrier to entry is too low in real estate, particularly in comparison to other careers viewed as “professions” (see related blog post here).
- The authoritative guidance in real estate is not uniform and too minimalist, particularly in comparison to other industries to which real estate should be comparable (see related blog post here).
- Too many people in the industry are not serious, full-time professionals, as evidenced by the fact that only 27% of all Realtors derive the majority of their income from real estate (this statistic will appear in the upcoming Swanepoel Trends Report 2010).
Second, allow me to offer the written commentary of the (in my opinion) leading author, observer and commentator in and about the real estate industry, Stefan Swanepoel, who wrote all of the following within the last few days publicly:
- I have publicly supported and encouraged a continual uplifting of the educational process and the professionalism of the real estate brokerage industry in most of my last 16 books and reports.. The time has come for a big change. I think a significant “Game Changer” type shift is now required. Otherwise we may, as an industry, slip further and further downhill until one day “others” outside the industry will find a new solution that may not include real estate agents as we know them today. (Originally posted as a comment on P1Fran.com here).
- I am dumbfounded watching the thousands re-arranging the chairs. (From same source as prior point.)
- On a scale of 1 to 10, Professionalism in real estate is at a “4.59 level.”
So, it would *appear* that Mr. Swanepoel and I are on the same page in terms of calling for major, radical overhaul and change within the real estate industry.
You may be thinking, “who cares what you think,” and or “who cares what Swanepoel thinks?”
And you are correct in asking those questions.
Ultimately, neither of us matters in this discussion.
So, let’s forget EVERYTHING I’ve written so far…both in this post and every other post in this blog…and let’s also forget everything that Swanepoel thinks, says and writes.
And let’s get to the only opinion that REALLY matters in this conversation: the public’s.
Let’s see what they have to say about this issue.
Per the most recent Harris Poll about the trustworthiness of professional advice that included real estate, the following information was culled:
- Only 7% “completely trusted” Realtors
- 20% didn’t trust Realtors at all
Per the most recent Harris Poll that dealt with the issue of most prestigious occupations, the following information was excerpted:
- Real estate broker/agent ranked LAST (23rd out of 23) in terms of having “very great prestige”
- Real estate broker/agent ranked SECOND TO WORST (22nd out of 23) in terms of “having no prestige at all” (the only occupation with a worse rating was “actor”)
- Over a 29 year average, real estate broker/agent ranked LAST in terms having “very great prestige”
Yes, this IS subjective, but even the most optimistic interpreter of these statistics would be hard pressed to spin these stats in a positive direction.
These are weak, embarrassing results, no matter how you slice it.
Here’s the bottom line: the public thinks we’re doing a poor job.
And, ultimately, DOES ANY OTHER MEASURE MATER?
No matter what I think…no matter what Stefan Swanepoel thinks…no matter what ANY PERSON in the real estate industry thinks…if the public thinks we’re not serving them effectively, then we are not serving them effectively.
As the old saying goes, “the customer is always right.”
And they have spoken.
They don’t think we give trustworthy advice. And they don’t think we have prestige.
I see a lot of people in real estate who want to DEBATE whether we have a “problem” or not.
If the results of these polls do not prove that we do have a perception/professionalism problem, what would evidence such proof? How much lower can we rank before there is consensus that we have a significant, systemic problem?
To ignore these hard realities is to potentially consent to all of the following:
- That we, as an industry, are comfortable being perceived as not being able to provide trustworthy professional advice.
- That we, as an industry, are comfortable being perceived as not having prestige.
- That we, as an industry, don’t care what our clients think of us.
It’s time for change. Not token change. REAL change.
Is the industry prepared to make the hard choices necessary to improve things? Only time will tell.
But the longer it takes to implement meaningful change, the better the odds that – as Swanepoel said above – “…we may, as an industry, slip further and further downhill until one day “others” outside the industry will find a new solution that may not include real estate agents as we know them today.”





It appears that you make a valid argument based on some eye-popping facts. As a fellow comrade in the real estate industry, I have seen professionalism be discarded as the desperation to close transactions has prevailed and even superseded the code of ethics. Glad to see that someone within the circle of Realtors has the courage to say reform is needed. Let’s see of the winds of change will blow in your favor.
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Sorry Mike – this is the first time I have disagreed with you.
In my opinion, the error in the logic is that real estate sales people are considered “professionals”. They are not. They are sales people. Like the person that sold me my car. Like the person that sold me my last washer and dryer. Like the guy visiting me at work to sell me software.
That being said, I think that real estate sales people want to have it both ways. They want to be considered as “professionals” but most don’t want to develop the product knowledge or expertise necessary to really be valuable to the purchase process.
Think about it – what’s the difference between the way real estate sales people approach their business and other sales people. The difference is that from my experience real estate sales people think that their knowledge of the process is what’s of value. All the other types of really successful sales people know their product(s) – intimately.
Yes of course it’s more difficult to have that kind of knowledge in real estate because each “product” is different. And it’s a ton more work than most real estate people are accustomed to. But product knowledge, not process knowledge, is the key.
And one last thing – real estate sales people are the worst group of sales people that I have ever dealt with in terms of focusing solely on getting paid. I can appreciate “always be closing” but the real estate people have raised it to an art form.
You want to raise that rating? Then get the real estate crowd to start acting like professional sales people.
Dennis Fassett
Dennis,
I agree with all you’ve said here, and would add just this: given the COMPLEXITY and FINANCIAL SIGNIFICANCE of a typical real estate transaction, Realtors *should be* “professionals” MORE than they are “salespeople.”
To liken selling a home to selling a dryer or a car is a stretch. I am not disagreeing with you that this is how IT IS – I know that this IS how it is. I am simply saying that it SHOULD NOT BE this way.
Further, there is FAR MORE that goes into selling real estate than simple product knowledge. I know you know this personally, and I am only stating this for anyone who might read this exchange between us.
Given these factors, Realtors SHOULD BE professionals. And I think the poorly ratings from the public would seem to support my line of thinking.
And thanks for your comment – Todd and I really appreciate it!
Best,
Michael
I spent 45 minutes writing and deleting in this space. Suffice it to say it is, for me, embarrassing to be a realtor. Oh, and dual agency???? WTF?? At least kiss the clients first.
Susie,
I am SO with you, my friend!
And I completely agree that dual agency is INSANE. I avoid it like the plague. You cannot serve two masters – one always feels slighted, no matter how perfectly you execute your responsibilities. Even when you ARE perfect, one or both parties always has that look that says, “I know you did SOMETHING that favored the other side, right?”
Someday, I predict we’ll look back and say, “Did Realtors ever actually represent BOTH sides in a deal? REALLY? How in the heck was that EVER legal?”
Thanks for the comment, Susie. You are a real pro!
Best,
Michael
With all due respect Michael and Susie…you both have completely missed the boat on dual agency. “You cannot serve two masters” in itself is a very logical assessent. However, by definition, when an agent performs dual agency THEY NO LONGER REPRESENT ANYONE.
In Illinois, if a Realtor participates in dual agency, it must be disclosed up front and in writing through a standardized Dual Agency form. The form (as a listing agent) is saying, in essence, “If you agree to allow me to present a buyer I NO LONGER REPRESENT YOU…I REPRESENT THE TRANSACTION”.
The bottom line is there is NO CONSUMER REPRESENTATION…that’s why it has to be disclosed up front and signed by the seller. It’s very plain and simple…very black and white.
The same thing with the buyer. In Illinois, the buyer must agree in writing, just as the seller did, to allow the agent to become a dual agent. This must be disclosed and signed BEFORE THE PROPERTY can be shown. When a buyer signs a Dual Agency disclosure you’re, in essence, telling them, “If I show you one of my own listings, I AM NOT REPRESENTING YOU…I AM REPRESENTING THE TRANSACTION.”
Both buyer and seller must agree, in writing, that they are not being represented in the transaction but both parties will be treated equally.
When I explain dual agency I let the buyer and seller know I DO NOT REPRESENT THEM…instead I act as an impartial and objective mediator FOR THE TRANSACTION.
When presented this way, there is no concern…it’s not tricky…not complicated…in fact, quite simple.
Steve,
Agency law varies by state. In my state, dual agency does NOT mean “you don’t represent anyone.”
Here, we call that “Transaction Coordinator.” This agency status is exactly as you described. It just has a different name here.
So, while you are probably correct in your assertions as it relates to YOUR state, such assumptions are not universal.
So, no, I don’t think I missed the boat.
Best,
Michael
Hi Mike,
Good stuff. I used the expression “lowering the bar” several weeks ago in a conversation with some folks at the board office in reference to some new policies and procedures. The timing of your card “RTB Radio On Air” was great. Professionalism, even common courtesy is so woefully lacking in our industry it is pathetic. Keep up the good work!
Vince Brennan
Vince,
You are SO correct. I see our once proud industry spiraling further and further off axis, and the number of people who want to look the other way and pretend that “all is fine,” or – worse yet – shout down the #RTB movement because of its’ “intentional anti-competitiveness” – is truly disappointing.
Clearly, most of the existing infrastructure in the industry – the majority of the established brands, the Boards, and NAR itself – are predicated on a QUANTITY paradigm, not a QUALITY paradigm. In other words, without 1M members, could NAR survive financially? Could the 16,000 square foot monster office down the street survive without 300 agents? Answers: probably not, and probably not. As as long as QUANTITY is the tail that wags the real estate industry dog, nothing is going to change.
Thanks for your comment, Vince! We hope you’ll get involved in the #RTB movement. It would be great to get more local activism in our market.
Best,
Michael
@MIrealestate I see no benefit 2 minor adjustment of existing syst. As @Swanepoel said at http://cli.gs/AE43J, RADICAL change req’d. #RTB
This comment was originally posted on Twitter
To me, this isn’t news. I’ve been in residential real estate for 10 years now, and Realtors have struggled with the prestige issue for long before I get into it. What boggles the mind is that no one seems to have asked the question: why? Even on the comment board above me, where the responses almost entirely (if not entirely) come from Realtors, the answers are as varied as the cultural melting pot that we live within in the USA. Has NO ONE ever followed up these results with “why do you think that”? And again, it doesn’t matter what WE think – this is perfect opportunity to close our mouths and open out ears. Is it as simple as the fact that people don’t trust salespeople? That’s a concept that is as old as the sales profession itself, and I don’t see it changing unless there is a sea change of the attitude of Realtors (and all other salespeople) from being salespeople to servicepeople.