<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Part-Time Realtor: Full-Time Problem</title> <atom:link href="http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/</link> <description>Real Professionalism in Real Estate</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:41:50 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Gina Kay Landis</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-2023</link> <dc:creator>Gina Kay Landis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:04:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-2023</guid> <description>Hmm I should say that my opinion is likely skewed by the development of huge numbers of unemployed (including the fact that hubby is unemployed) and the foreclosures/short sales in my market. I&#039;m still working like a crazy woman, but mostly with investors...As for RTB, I agree to a point. Education is ALWAYS a good thing - however we really should define WHAT degrees would best suit real estate professionals as well as what &quot;professionalism&quot; actually means in our business (I can give examples of unprofessional AND professional behavior).With a sociology and psychology education with a minor in the science of geology, I can say for certain those have helped tremendously in my real estate practice. With a number of years in the general business sector, that has also helped tremendously. Do agents need specific degrees, or would a liberal arts degree with a major in English suffice? Should agents go after an undergrad degree that focuses on real estate instead?  I haven&#039;t seen enough discussion on the particulars so feel free to fill me in with links to sources if you have &#039;em! :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm I should say that my opinion is likely skewed by the development of huge numbers of unemployed (including the fact that hubby is unemployed) and the foreclosures/short sales in my market. I&#8217;m still working like a crazy woman, but mostly with investors&#8230;</p><p>As for RTB, I agree to a point. Education is ALWAYS a good thing &#8211; however we really should define WHAT degrees would best suit real estate professionals as well as what &#8220;professionalism&#8221; actually means in our business (I can give examples of unprofessional AND professional behavior).</p><p>With a sociology and psychology education with a minor in the science of geology, I can say for certain those have helped tremendously in my real estate practice. With a number of years in the general business sector, that has also helped tremendously. Do agents need specific degrees, or would a liberal arts degree with a major in English suffice? Should agents go after an undergrad degree that focuses on real estate instead?  I haven&#8217;t seen enough discussion on the particulars so feel free to fill me in with links to sources if you have &#8216;em! <img src='http://p1fran.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gina Kay Landis</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-2020</link> <dc:creator>Gina Kay Landis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:44:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-2020</guid> <description>If agents understood startup costs (and that they don&#039;t get paid, really, until something closes - never mind companies that draw agents in with pre-closing commission loans), then perhaps people wouldn&#039;t jump in so quickly to the Realtor or real estate agent pool (remember not all agents are Realtors).To work full-time takes massive commitment and a heck of a lot of work. Those who don&#039;t have a diversified income stream often have a supporting spouse or full time job that may be flexible enough for them to carry a small number of listings, where they may only represent the seller, not buyers. Buyers take a lot more time than sellers because of previewing houses and checking out which home may suit them based on their criteria. While listings take time to advertise and to discuss with the seller, the time spent simply isn&#039;t the same as with buyers.I&#039;ve heard the argument many times that real estate sales should be along the lines of physician training (disagree), dentist training (disagree), accountant training (possibly on the CPA level) and/or lawyer training (possibly). However - can someone sell property without substantial training? Yes, if the transaction is simple enough to warrant only training done via the state requirements and whatever minimal training is done by the brokerage.If there were scholarships available for further training, we may have a completely different economic class of folks getting into the game. If people budget wisely and don&#039;t enter the business prior to being well-funded for the business, then we&#039;d also have a completely different economic class of folks coming into the business.I would say as well that the current climate could be different than 5 years ago based on the different issues facing a sale coming to closing. With short sales and foreclosures being 50% of my area&#039;s local sales, and the time it takes to market, many were not aware of the variables inherent in such sales, with their income dipping substantially due to lower commission with short sales and with the time it takes to close them. If not prepared with knowledge about such sales, people may find themselves earning up to 50% less than years prior. Is it any wonder then that people turn to supplemental income? However if agents put an additional 4 - 5 hours a day doing targeted marketing, they may well make as much per month as they make at a full time job. Remember also though, full time work often includes benefits that are a bit difficult to give up for a Realtor&#039;s family. Balancing act? Certainly. But much more needs to change within the economy and outside of the specific educational requirements people are advocating for agents to make a good living selling real estate and taking care of many, many clients. It&#039;s easy for someone who doesn&#039;t work in the field to make statements about raising the bar... let&#039;s put people back to work IN the field and see how things shape up, eh?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If agents understood startup costs (and that they don&#8217;t get paid, really, until something closes &#8211; never mind companies that draw agents in with pre-closing commission loans), then perhaps people wouldn&#8217;t jump in so quickly to the Realtor or real estate agent pool (remember not all agents are Realtors).</p><p>To work full-time takes massive commitment and a heck of a lot of work. Those who don&#8217;t have a diversified income stream often have a supporting spouse or full time job that may be flexible enough for them to carry a small number of listings, where they may only represent the seller, not buyers. Buyers take a lot more time than sellers because of previewing houses and checking out which home may suit them based on their criteria. While listings take time to advertise and to discuss with the seller, the time spent simply isn&#8217;t the same as with buyers.</p><p>I&#8217;ve heard the argument many times that real estate sales should be along the lines of physician training (disagree), dentist training (disagree), accountant training (possibly on the CPA level) and/or lawyer training (possibly). However &#8211; can someone sell property without substantial training? Yes, if the transaction is simple enough to warrant only training done via the state requirements and whatever minimal training is done by the brokerage.</p><p>If there were scholarships available for further training, we may have a completely different economic class of folks getting into the game. If people budget wisely and don&#8217;t enter the business prior to being well-funded for the business, then we&#8217;d also have a completely different economic class of folks coming into the business.</p><p>I would say as well that the current climate could be different than 5 years ago based on the different issues facing a sale coming to closing. With short sales and foreclosures being 50% of my area&#8217;s local sales, and the time it takes to market, many were not aware of the variables inherent in such sales, with their income dipping substantially due to lower commission with short sales and with the time it takes to close them. If not prepared with knowledge about such sales, people may find themselves earning up to 50% less than years prior. Is it any wonder then that people turn to supplemental income? However if agents put an additional 4 &#8211; 5 hours a day doing targeted marketing, they may well make as much per month as they make at a full time job. Remember also though, full time work often includes benefits that are a bit difficult to give up for a Realtor&#8217;s family. Balancing act? Certainly. But much more needs to change within the economy and outside of the specific educational requirements people are advocating for agents to make a good living selling real estate and taking care of many, many clients. It&#8217;s easy for someone who doesn&#8217;t work in the field to make statements about raising the bar&#8230; let&#8217;s put people back to work IN the field and see how things shape up, eh?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Social Media does not generate business, relationships generate business! &#124; Michael Fanning</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-2000</link> <dc:creator>Social Media does not generate business, relationships generate business! &#124; Michael Fanning</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-2000</guid> <description>[...] It is pretty clear that on average the typical Realtor just isn&#8217;t in the FLOW. It could be because they don&#8217;t see Real Estate as a career.  This article might explain some of the problem. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It is pretty clear that on average the typical Realtor just isn&#8217;t in the FLOW. It could be because they don&#8217;t see Real Estate as a career.  This article might explain some of the problem. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ravenna Red&#039;s Blog</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-1999</link> <dc:creator>Ravenna Red&#039;s Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-1999</guid> <description>[...] 73% of (alleged) Realtors work part-time only? Check out this article&#8221;: Part-Time Realtor: Full-Time Problem&#8221;: http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/ [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 73% of (alleged) Realtors work part-time only? Check out this article&#8221;: Part-Time Realtor: Full-Time Problem&#8221;: <a href="http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/">http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/</a> [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Real Estate Insanity: Airing the Dirty Laundry &#124; Plymouth Michigan Homes for Sale &#38; Plymouth Michigan Real Estate</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-863</link> <dc:creator>Real Estate Insanity: Airing the Dirty Laundry &#124; Plymouth Michigan Homes for Sale &#38; Plymouth Michigan Real Estate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:44:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-863</guid> <description>[...] me to throw another quote out there for more context: “Only 27% of Realtors surveyed by 56 local Realtors Assocn listed RE as their primary source of [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me to throw another quote out there for more context: “Only 27% of Realtors surveyed by 56 local Realtors Assocn listed RE as their primary source of [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael McClure</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-148</link> <dc:creator>Michael McClure</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-148</guid> <description>Aaron,I don&#039;t disagree, but it seems to me that - given how FINANCIALLY SIGNIFICANT a home sale or purchase is to MOST people, I think the public deserves better...MUCH better.Your suggestion is a good one given the current condition of the industry. I&#039;m saying the current condition of the industry needs to change...in a huge way.And thanks for your comment - we appreciate it!Best, Michael</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p><p>I don&#8217;t disagree, but it seems to me that &#8211; given how FINANCIALLY SIGNIFICANT a home sale or purchase is to MOST people, I think the public deserves better&#8230;MUCH better.</p><p>Your suggestion is a good one given the current condition of the industry. I&#8217;m saying the current condition of the industry needs to change&#8230;in a huge way.</p><p>And thanks for your comment &#8211; we appreciate it!</p><p>Best,<br /> Michael</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aaron Charlton</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-147</link> <dc:creator>Aaron Charlton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:26:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-147</guid> <description>Getting a real estate license is about as hard as applying for a bus pass.  Because it&#039;s a sales job that&#039;s not likely to change.  The smartest thing for people to do is to demand a full-time realtor who is either very experienced or who has a lot of support from broker/mentor, etc.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting a real estate license is about as hard as applying for a bus pass.  Because it&#8217;s a sales job that&#8217;s not likely to change.  The smartest thing for people to do is to demand a full-time realtor who is either very experienced or who has a lot of support from broker/mentor, etc.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ryan hartman</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-149</link> <dc:creator>ryan hartman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:04:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-149</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;Real fun to get that occassional pingback from Dean&#8217;s list&#8230;. cool to see it&#8217;s arrived here!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2010/02/06/top-10-real-estate-articles-week-feb-6/#comment-78525&quot; title=&quot;&#8220;The Ten Best in RE.net This Week: Feb. 6, 2010 Edition&#8221;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Real Estate Investing For Real &#124; A BiggerPockets Investment Property Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real fun to get that occassional pingback from Dean&#8217;s list&#8230;. cool to see it&#8217;s arrived here!</p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2010/02/06/top-10-real-estate-articles-week-feb-6/#comment-78525" title="&#8220;The Ten Best in RE.net This Week: Feb. 6, 2010 Edition&#8221;">Real Estate Investing For Real | A BiggerPockets Investment Property Blog</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scott Voak</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-146</link> <dc:creator>Scott Voak</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-146</guid> <description>I completely agree that we need to raise the bar, but there are two obstacles to this happening and I only know of  a solution for one of them: 1 - All the associations survive by charging dues and more agents equals more dues.  The obvious, but not easy solution is to greatly increase dues so the associations receive the same amount of money.2 - Individual brokerages make the most money off of their part-time agents.  Full time agents doing 30-40 transactions a year might be on an 80%,85%, or 90% split.  Part-timers may be on as low as a 50% split.  Plus, part-timers require less financial overhead (desk space, tying up assistants&#039;s time, etc.)  Therefore, the very companies that dominate the industry find it against their financial interests to raise the bar.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that we need to raise the bar, but there are two obstacles to this happening and I only know of  a solution for one of them:<br /> 1 &#8211; All the associations survive by charging dues and more agents equals more dues.  The obvious, but not easy solution is to greatly increase dues so the associations receive the same amount of money.</p><p>2 &#8211; Individual brokerages make the most money off of their part-time agents.  Full time agents doing 30-40 transactions a year might be on an 80%,85%, or 90% split.  Part-timers may be on as low as a 50% split.  Plus, part-timers require less financial overhead (desk space, tying up assistants&#8217;s time, etc.)  Therefore, the very companies that dominate the industry find it against their financial interests to raise the bar.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ryan Hinricher</title><link>http://p1fran.com/2010/02/part-time-realtor-full-time-problem/#comment-152</link> <dc:creator>Ryan Hinricher</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:19:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://p1fran.com/?p=776#comment-152</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;Dean, thanks for the great summary / Top 10 list.  Nice to see a quick summary of interesting real estate news out there. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Welcome to the blog team too!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2010/02/06/top-10-real-estate-articles-week-feb-6/#comment-78446&quot; title=&quot;&#8220;The Ten Best in RE.net This Week: Feb. 6, 2010 Edition&#8221;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Real Estate Investing For Real &#124; A BiggerPockets Investment Property Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, thanks for the great summary / Top 10 list.  Nice to see a quick summary of interesting real estate news out there.</p><p>Welcome to the blog team too!</p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a href="http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2010/02/06/top-10-real-estate-articles-week-feb-6/#comment-78446" title="&#8220;The Ten Best in RE.net This Week: Feb. 6, 2010 Edition&#8221;">Real Estate Investing For Real | A BiggerPockets Investment Property Blog</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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